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  • Systematic Chaos
    October 10, 2011 - 9:59pm

    Today, me and my 6 year old kid, saw the "Systematic Chaos" Make Of DVD (one more time :p ) , and oh my god, what a Masterpiece!! You guys are realy, realy awseome, you must be to do something like that!
    I am sorry if any of you don't agree, but to me, doubtless, it's your best of the best albums, and one of the best Metal, Prog, Rock, Heavy thing I've ever heard and will, for shore!!
    I really hope that you make one so good or better!

    Congrats, one more time, and call Mike, get along, life is to short to throw long life friendships away like that...

    Hugs everyone!

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ILPower's picture
on October 10, 2011 - 9:59pm

Today, me and my 6 year old kid, saw the "Systematic Chaos" Make Of DVD (one more time :p ) , and oh my god, what a Masterpiece!! You guys are realy, realy awseome, you must be to do something like that!
I am sorry if any of you don't agree, but to me, doubtless, it's your best of the best albums, and one of the best Metal, Prog, Rock, Heavy thing I've ever heard and will, for shore!!
I really hope that you make one so good or better!

Congrats, one more time, and call Mike, get along, life is to short to throw long life friendships away like that...

Hugs everyone!

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Spin's picture

I like Systematic Chaos, had some great parts and some bad parts, but still an iconic album to me. The first new dream theater album i got into since i started liking the band. Train of Thought is still the king of the metal side of DT to me, but SC has some great songs and great parts. I must know how to play 2/3 of it on guitar now, playing the entire 25 minutes of ITPOE is just epic.

Some people just don't like anything remotely Metal about DT and like only the progressive part about them, and then others are the complete opposite. The last 3 albums have very mixed opinions because of this, but to be honest DT is still going strong and creating great music, regardless of how heavy/progressive it is.

Soulfire's picture

I love Train Of Thought. Honor Thy Father is just amazing. And yes, it's extremely underrated. Some fans just need to accept that Dream Theater is, by nature a progressive [i]metal[/i] band.

ILPower's picture

I like it a lot!!! It was my second album after Images and Words (marvilous), and got me into DT without any doubt ;)

Fiat Lux's picture

BTW, don't want to hijack this thread, but I went back to listen to Train of Thought recently and while I'm one of those guilty of rating this album fairly low on my overall DT album list, I have a lot of love for this album. It has some absolutely great music and classic DT on it, not least of all being ITNOG! Anyone else have more love for TOT?

cheers

Fiat Lux's picture

Hey all
It's great to find other lovers of SC!
I'm not the biggest fan of every track, but IMHO ITPOE 1 and 2 is DT's second best long prog piece after the epic 6DOIT (and it is very nearly as good). Both tracks are absolute must have prog masterpieces in my book, and ITPOE 1 and 2 is probably my second favourite DT track of all (6DOIT being my fave unquestionably). That alone makes SC a must have album, but then add MOLS, POW and Forsaken and you have one mighty fine album. Incidentally, I wasn't a fan of Foresaken until I heard it live, but it JUST WORKS!

As a whole my fave DT album is SFAM, but I have much love for SC. I simply can't understand those who rate it poorly. I guess we all look for different things in our music.

cheers

DebraKadabra's picture

I have sort of a love/hate relationship with SC, but it does have my favorite portion of the AA Suite (Repentance).

TAC's picture

After the emotion of Score and that tour, I've always looked at SC as sort of a breather album. It's fun, varied, and easy on the ears. Not a lot of thought needed to listen.

ILPower's picture

It's full of small details, I hear it really a lot, and every time I find a new thing, it's really a technical, progressive and heavy masterpiece, no doubt!!

Philba1966's picture

SC has become one of my top 2 DT albums (Scenes from a Memory really got me hooked, so it will always have the #1 spot!), so much so that I went out and bought the extended CD last week (have the original from iTunes). I watched the making of DVD for the first time and found it a wonderful insight into the group. It made me even more sad that MP left the band because, at least at that time, it seemed to mean a lot to him to have those relationships for years and he genuinely seemed to enjoy the dynamic. Loved the "nightcam on JM so that you can actually see him wearing something other than a black shirt" comment. He definitely camera shy (like all ninja!).

I've listened to the 5.1 audio of the album five times already...it really brings out the individual components of each song. You can hear/feel all of the detail they put into each piece. Did BC&SL or ADToE have a 5.1 as well?

Crash_of_Doom's picture

I really like SC. I became a fan after TOT was released (December 2003 or so), so the first new Dream Theater album for me was Octavarium. Having been listening to the other records for 2 years or so, 8V was something else. I like it, but it was an album of extremes to me (a pop song, prog rock songs, an epic, an alternative rock song and a balls metal song) and not what i expected. Still, i listened to it a lot! But when SC came out, i fell in love immediately. It was prog metal all around! I love how powerful the songs were and there wasn't a dull moment in the album. Ok, Repentance is pretty slow, but it's very moody. Anyway, i'm one of the fans that love this album and i think it's one of the best in the 6DOIT-BCSL decade (2000-2009)

lak89's picture

[quote=skildude]I think SC was their weakest effort. It's definitely a push into the thrash metal genre that Portnoy was clearly leading the group. The album was just plain awful and difficult to listen to. Of course, the Album is clearly marked... and it didn't fail to deliver just that. Chaos.[/quote]

Ah that's fine, I actually still find myself listening to more of their later stuff, simply because I'm more metal inclined in general. Of course their earlier stuff are classics but I like their heavier side more. SC isn't their best but it's still quite strong in my opinion, no love for Repentance and The Ministry Of Lost Souls?

Wolfpacker96's picture

Well, I don't think Slayer ever had a piano intro to a song (well, that's just a guess as I've never really listened to much of them). Or a melodic chorus like Forsaken has. Or a singer who could actually sing. But, hey, if you feel that way, I guess that's your right! I don't really understand how I can like the album so much but others actually hate it who are DT fans. Maybe I'm the odd one, but I have a blast listening to that album, and don't really care! :)

Later.

skildude's picture

yes awful. Hard to even listen to. My CD is like new only listened through it once and new I'd never need to hear anything from that album. Like I said. wanna listen to Slayer go listen to Slayer. Wanna listen to prog rock/prog metal slip in any DT CD other than SC

Wolfpacker96's picture

[quote=skildude]I think SC was their weakest effort. It's definitely a push into the thrash metal genre that Portnoy was clearly leading the group. The album was just plain awful and difficult to listen to. Of course, the Album is clearly marked... and it didn't fail to deliver just that. Chaos.[/quote]

Awful? I can see how you may not like it, but awful? Forsaken is awful? In the Presence is awful?

skildude's picture

I think SC was their weakest effort. It's definitely a push into the thrash metal genre that Portnoy was clearly leading the group. The album was just plain awful and difficult to listen to. Of course, the Album is clearly marked... and it didn't fail to deliver just that. Chaos.

ILPower's picture

Don't get me wrong by thinking that I don't love the prog scene of DT, I love "Scenes from a Memory", it's an incredible Masterpiece (what album isn't, this guys are surreal), but SC, my god it's so goddamn technical, prog, heavy and above all, detailed, I really can ear it over and over again and find every day a new detail, and think that MP, the drummer, has so much of him in it!! Just great.

Chears to all!! :)

ILPower's picture

Don't get me wrong by thinking that I don't love the prog scene of DT, I love "Scenes from a Memory", it's an incredible Masterpiece (what album isn't, this guys are surreal), but SC, my god it's so goddamn technical, prog, heavy and above all, detailed, I really can ear it over and over again and find every day a new detail, and think that MP, the drummer, has so much of him in it!! Just great.

Chears to all!! :)

Soulfire's picture

There are just a lot of people who really hate the metal side of DT. I admit that the lyrics and the vocals to The Dark Eternal Night were REALLY lame, but other than that I really enjoy Systematic Chaos... except the outro to Ministry, which is far too long.

Psygnosis99's picture

I thought SC was incredible! Not as proggy as in the past, but not every album can or should be the same thing. One reason I think DT is the best band ever is their ability to create so many different sounding albums and be so good at whatever they try! Yes, in the presence of enemies is truly a masterpiece, that can connect emotionally with any member of the human race. Even some of the easier less complicated songs like Forsaken I love! You can listen over and over and hear so many cool small details, especially on guitar.

I don't know how people could think this is a weak album, its like all the others... Each song a UNIQUE treasure trove of sonic candy waiting to be discovered!

leSpring's picture

ON contrary to other DT albums it has a few songs that might only be good (and not totally amazing like others... :) ) and therefore doesn't rank as high. On the other hand, In The Presence Of Enemies is one of their best tracks ever imo so all together it's still an amazing album.
Also, I really like the artwork, especially the one of the special editon. And the 5.1. mix is amazing, 5.1 dolby or everything in higher quality actually should be the standard for all their releases, it's the only way for their brilliant songs! :)

floyducci's picture

hi guys, I'm glad to know that I'm not crazy!!!let me explain: I've always thought that SC is one of the best DT albums, but the press consider it not , for them it is the worst!!!??????
I define song like IN THE PRESENCE OF ENEMIES (1&2),a MASTERPIECE . I'ld be happy if they play this song in the next DT concert in Perugia (ITALY) on 22 feb in front of me ...in the first rows (as usual) ...with other MP like:
OCTAVARIUM
BREAKING ALL ILLUSIONS
LOST NOT FORGOTTEN
CHANGE OF SEASONS
OUTCRY
BEYOUND THIS LIFE
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;)

Wolfpacker96's picture

Well, I have no animosity towards it. In fact, it's probably my favorite DT album. But I enjoy the heavier, shorter songs more than the epic stories. But that doesn't mean I dislike them, just like them less!

Hprog's picture

I don't get why so many people have so much animosity against SC. I like it very much and I initiated my brother in DT with this album.

Wolfpacker96's picture

I'm sure this used to be talked about years ago, but does anyone else like the 5.1 mix on the DVD. I know it's only in Dolby Digital, not even DTS, and not uncompressed audio like a SACD, but man it sounds freaking awesome to me. I have some SACDs and DVD-audio discs that don't come close to the dynamic range of that mix (they're all much older albums, so...). Took it to a friend of mines house who owns an insane home theater, and we were shacking the entire house with the subwoofer and I really enjoyed the rest of the mix as well. A blu-ray audio surround mix of the latest album would be fantastic, but I guess that one disc may be the only surrounds we get from DT, at least until they start re-releasing them for their 40th anniversary like King Crimson is.

Batur Togay's picture

I love Systematic Chaos too(like all DT albums) but I can't see Dream Theater's progressive soul exactly in this album. It's not a weak album(dictionary mmeaning :) ), it is one of their "more" metal albums.(Like Train of Thought)

ILPower's picture

He is great, no doubt!

Ytsejam58's picture

i love Mike's backing vocals on prophet's of war... how he thought of the idea of the "cool queen thing"

ILPower's picture

No doubt! About the lyrics, be patient, this guys like these subjects ;)

Filthy Beast's picture

Contrary to most longtime DT fans, I really enjoy SC, enough that I'd put it in my top 3 or 4. Lyrically, it's pretty weak in my opinion, but the balls out metal attack keeps me listening. I think it's better than the studio albums that came before & after anyway.

lak89's picture

I definitely enjoy that album too even though some people regard it as one of their weakest, there's some really strong tracks on there! The first time I saw them (ever) was on the Chaos in Motion tour in Sydney and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. I think time will heal all wounds with MP, no doubt they will talk again, there's too much history there, but yea it will take time.