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  • Why missing old DT?
    April 20, 2012 - 7:39am

    DT Fans,

    Just been to DT's 2012 show in Seoul, Korea.. just a few notes to share my impression..

    1. Too short of a show for the money!

    In Korea, they agency sold so called the "reserved seats" for 120 US$, so the money does not go to the members directly, but when Mr. LaBrie, in his opening comment that "we will have a good time for the next TWO hours..." , I instantly felt the premonition that this show is not going to be the same DT shows used to be which at least lasted three hours or more...what happened to DT's passion for sevicing eagerly waited fans? They even played Deep Purple's "Highway Star" at one of the Korean shows in the past!

    As the last curtain call song "Pull Me Under" ended, the members look determined not to play any more, as they bowed, hand in hand, goodbye to the audience who waited more for more than three years. Looked that they almost lack sincerity.

    2. Gradually decreasing musical inspiration

    This is a heart- breaking comment for me but I still think their musical acme was in the "Images and Words," "Scenes from a Memory" era and passing through "Octavarium," "Systematic Chaos," "BCSL" era, they gradually lost their musical genius or "kick" that make listener shiver and deeply moved by the pure musical joy. You just don't get that electricity when you listen songs like "Pull me Under," "Panic Attack," and pardon me, that isn't this the reason that Mr. Portnoy left the band?..Musical drought..

    In sum, the band still is the best technicians in the world with Mr. Mangini just manic, but why I feel so empty that I could even feel more electricity when I listen to Gaga's "Born this Way," than most of the songs in the new CD..

    I hope their turn truly goes to a dramatic direction and reaches to a level with the likes of Pink Floyd, Rush or even today's Frost* or Porcupine Tree.

    Cheers for DT!

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panic attack's picture
on April 20, 2012 - 7:39am

DT Fans,

Just been to DT's 2012 show in Seoul, Korea.. just a few notes to share my impression..

1. Too short of a show for the money!

In Korea, they agency sold so called the "reserved seats" for 120 US$, so the money does not go to the members directly, but when Mr. LaBrie, in his opening comment that "we will have a good time for the next TWO hours..." , I instantly felt the premonition that this show is not going to be the same DT shows used to be which at least lasted three hours or more...what happened to DT's passion for sevicing eagerly waited fans? They even played Deep Purple's "Highway Star" at one of the Korean shows in the past!

As the last curtain call song "Pull Me Under" ended, the members look determined not to play any more, as they bowed, hand in hand, goodbye to the audience who waited more for more than three years. Looked that they almost lack sincerity.

2. Gradually decreasing musical inspiration

This is a heart- breaking comment for me but I still think their musical acme was in the "Images and Words," "Scenes from a Memory" era and passing through "Octavarium," "Systematic Chaos," "BCSL" era, they gradually lost their musical genius or "kick" that make listener shiver and deeply moved by the pure musical joy. You just don't get that electricity when you listen songs like "Pull me Under," "Panic Attack," and pardon me, that isn't this the reason that Mr. Portnoy left the band?..Musical drought..

In sum, the band still is the best technicians in the world with Mr. Mangini just manic, but why I feel so empty that I could even feel more electricity when I listen to Gaga's "Born this Way," than most of the songs in the new CD..

I hope their turn truly goes to a dramatic direction and reaches to a level with the likes of Pink Floyd, Rush or even today's Frost* or Porcupine Tree.

Cheers for DT!

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Dumpster's picture

You can't be serious, DTOE is a pure Musical & Lyrical sensation. I have all DT albums and would have to rate the latest stuff up near the top.
I would pay to see these guys for a 1 hour concert if Australia could only get a gig.

panic attack's picture

@MikeSic:

Dear MikeSic,

I understand that these days, shows tend to be short but then again, Van Halen doesn' thave many songs over ten minutes, right?.. so what I am saying is that DT used to play 3- 3:30 hour show and I miss those days when they played long and sometimes playing Metallica and Deep Purple.

Like I said, Mangini was manic and I have never seen that many drums, cymbals, tom toms and you name it, all those percussions hard to name and when I first see the stage, it was ALL drum set and the rest of the band members looked like dwarves against that gigantic drum stadium! I bet the total number of places you can bang your drum stick on was over 50... somebody please count number and tell us!

JanneDaArc's picture

Ok...deep breath here...calm down.

Because I seriously wanted to issue a beatdown to the TC when i saw the set list he enjoyed.

I'm about to create a topic requesting some songs which is probably very presumptuous and forward of me but I need to hear 6:00 and Caught in a Web before I die. The rest of the set was sick but to hear just one of these. I actually thought they ceased playing 6:00 for some reason. I digress...

The one thing I am going to join in the criticism of DT was what I got for the Meet & Greet. Cue up, picture, cue up get something signed with literally less than 1-2 minutes per member to say something, collect your goodies, go sit in your front two row seats. I am of a mind that it would have been nice to have like a modest deal where you could mingle with the band a bit or maybe have a Q&A session. For that price I do. The one thing I respect is that they likely do not want too much interaction (get a flu bug or something) and there will always be one or more "that guys" that will be...difficult to be around. I do not feel shorted. No. Because being that close at their concert balanced it out but it could have been a bit more and I would have appreciated it.

But other than that - to come here and say that they are losing that "kick"? How pompous and rude. We all have opinions and you are entitled to yours but for a band that is so fan-focused, to come here and say that was inappropriate. I for one would edit that post if I were you.

comment's picture

According to 2 separate fans calculations, the average DT song is....

[b]8 minutes 48 seconds.[/b][u][i][/i][/u] Based on their first 10 studio albums (count 6DOIT as one song, SFAM as twelve songs and ITPOE as two songs).

Round up to 9 minutes and see how many songs they can do in a full 120 minutes. Approximately 13 songs with 3 minutes to spare. 3 minutes could easily be the length of a pop song that doesn't take near the demand of most any 3 minutes of most any DT song.

If you take 15 minutes for breaks then 105 minutes of demanding, sublime music averages 11 songs with 2 pop songs to spare.

The Korean show set list MINUS 2 instrumental solos and a cover song.

1. Bridges in the Sky
2. 6:00
3. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
4. Surrounded
5. The Root of All Evil
6. A Fortune in Lies
7. Outcry
8. The Silent Man
9. Beneath the Surface
10. On the Backs of Angels
11. War Inside My Head
12. The Test that Stumped Them All
13. The Spirit Carries On
14. Breaking All Illusions
15. Pull Me Under

With two instrumentals and a cover song it seems like the show would have been longer then "2 hours". I wasn't at the show, but that seems like a fair amount if the price is fair and it's quality live music.

Loosing their mojo? I haven't seen them live in awhile, but ADToE is worthy of[b] "their best album yet argument" and with a grammy nomination.[/b]

Perpetual Change's picture

2 hours is actually much longer than what we were getting before. For Black Clouds, DT only did the 80 minute Progressive Nation shows in the US :(

wffdracula's picture

Please, Please, Please do not cancel the Beijing show!
It’s a miracle for this country and all the audiences in this country to have DT on stage!
It shall be a legend and biggest pride for all DT fans in China, they are praying for this show!
The organizers of Bejing show is not a big company, but with TRUE PASSION on DT, and being loved and supported by all rock music audiences in China!
The XOUNDFORCE and GUITARCHINA are trying their best to get all the procedure done against tim

Please,PLease

MikeSic's picture

I have to disagree, if you're complaining about a 2 hour show being too short, they'd you'd absolutely hate Van Halen! Most concerts by big name bands are usually 1.5 hours these days, and with the prices they charge, yeah I'd have an issue with that.

As with the second part, DT never struck an emotional chord with me either, even back in the day. I've always hoped they'd write their "Spirit of the Radio". But I caught myself with this expectation. DT never will! They are the technical progressive metal masters they are, and I should appreciate them for that. They don't have Neil Peart or Roger Waters writing lyrics for them, it's not their forte.

I wanted to hate Dramatic Turn of Events, but after a few listens, it's grown on me, and I like it. It is what it is, mind blowing musicianship.

Maybe Mike Mangini will have a hand in writing the next album and we'll see some sort of evolution, but don't expect revolution. As a drummer, nobody can touch Mangini. He's THAT good!

So you'll just have to appreciate them for what they are.

panic attack's picture

@Psygnosis99:

Dear @Psygnosis99:

I value your opinion but also give it a listen to the band like "Frost*," "Porcupine Tree."

panic attack's picture

@MesaBeno:

Dear @MesaBeno,

I have read your opinion and agree that they are getting older.. sad.. but in a way, more matured for sure...in their music, too.

I am not insulting DT by any chance, and DT has always been one of my favorites. Don't misunderstand me, this sort of comment is only possible because I really care for them!

Psygnosis99's picture

I saw them in Austin last year and i completely disagree in every way. Musically they are tighter and better than they've ever been, and on atage they have so much more chemistry and energy than i had seen ever. The new stuff is incredible.

MesaBeno's picture

Man, that's YOUR opinion. To some of us even their newer stuff still gives us chills.

Seriously it's disrespectful to come on their own forum and talk like that of them.

Not to mention, 2 hours isn't good enough for you? Well, excuse them. At their age doing 3 hours show is not an easy thing anymore.

Be grateful that they were even there in the first place. Do you know how exhausting it is to play the same song over and over and over, night after night after night? To say they were lacking passion and looked "determined not to play anymore" is completely out of line.

They have always put fans first, and I guess MP had it right...everything is Never Enough.

panic attack's picture

@Joelee:

Dear DT fan,

Please do not misunderstand me, as I have said, they still are the best techinicians on earth. The sound was just PERFECT, and oh- so- tight!

It is just that, DT keeps losing its musical fountain(?) which gives listeners deep impression and chill--- the one you get from great classics like "Comfortably Numb," "Red Barchetta," "Spirit of the Radio," or current songs like "Hyperventilate," " Blackest Eyes," or "Milliontown."

Discerning ears can tell what is trully a "good music."

panic attack's picture

@#1DTPinoyFan:

No, dude, there was nothing afterwards, as far as I know. Maybe some private gatherings.

Joelee's picture

I've seen them twice this tour, and I thought they totally rocked..First show was longer, second shorter. I honestly love Dramatic Turn in its entirety..My fave thus far had always been Scenes, but I now listen to both just as much.. I think this CD brought such a fresh feel to it... I'm not a longtime fan, so it may be different for you.. but I am a huge fan and think what they do it awesome.

#1DTPinoyFan's picture

Hi Bro! Was there a Meet and Greet there in Korea?